DOES GOD KNOWS IF ONE WILL GO TO HEAVEN OR NOT?

I came across this argument on the internet and it caught my attention. I would love to share with you all and will be happy if you can also enlighten the blog readers on the argument below by posting your comments.

Below is what Chris Baggio posted on his timeline;

PONDER ON THIS

Lets just say God is Omniscent.That is he knows everything.He knows the outcome of any situation even before they happen.This is all true when you read the Bible. Knowing this,does it mean he (God) knows whether I will go to Hell or Heaven after I die? Does it also mean he knew where I will spend eternity when he was creating me? Well,I will say YES because according to the bible he knows the outcome of any situation beforehand. I then ask,''why did he(God) create me'' knowing very well I am doomed for Hell?

Nice topic to discuss on right?
Let's see how others retaliated to the above topic by Chris Baggio.

Hansie Louw: He knows all possible outcomes, but he leaves the choice up to you. He created you because He loves you and wants to have a relationship with you. He does not know which choice you will make, but He knows the possibilities. So you have to choose.

Chris Baggio: If you say he doesnt know the choice I will make then it means you are saying he isnt omniscent as the Bible tell us.

Hansie Louw:

No, I am saying that your understanding of omniscience is not what the Bible teaches. God does not act contrary to his nature. So He allows you to choose, but you have to choose. He does not know what you are going to choose. That does not mean that he will not know what you have chosen. 

Kwabena Tutu: have been thinking about this since ma childhood. You spoke ma mind Bro.People got to wake up.

Nana Quabena Lucci:

Bayiefo) @ baggio (wizard @ Baggio)

Chris Baggio:

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www.godisimaginary.com

Chris Baggio:

No one have been able to convince me fully..All those who av tried ends up contradicting themselves.

Agyemang Duah Emmanuel:

''Knowing this, does it mean he (God) knows whether I will go to hell or heaven after I die?''..This statement is ambiguous. Do you mean to ask that God knows where you would be before you die or after u are dead? But I think the latter is more like God.

Chris Baggio:

Am saying God knew where I will spend eternity even long before he created me.Am saying this bcos the bible makes it clear he is omniscent and knows the outcome of any situation beforehand.This isnt ambigious at all.Take time to think about it you will understand.And lets just say I end up going to hell and he knew that when he was about to create me.If that is so then what is the essence of creating me in the first place?Does he enjoy in watching me being tortured in Hell?

Agyemang Duah Emmanuel:

My friend the term ''God'' is even subjective. What you believe in will work for you depending on your faith in what you believe in. Even in UNI, there were so many abstract things we learnt. Stuffs we tried to imagine but they seem unimaginable. That is how the word of Jehovah is. Believe and have faith and it works like magic.

Chris Baggio:

So you mean you just imagine that God exists and believe in that?

Agyemang Duah Emmanuel:

Yeah Or you expect to see God?

Chris Baggio:

A whole lot of people wont agree with you when you say God is imaginary.

Agyemang Duah Emmanuel:

Believing and having faith is the keyword.

Yaw Afriyie:

Hmmm, interesting question Chris Baggio.
And i believe a legitimate and fair question. Let me state my humble opinion.

Firstly, let's break down the question because it addresses multiple things at the same time. YES, the bible does teach THAT GOD IS OMNISCIENT.

You can't be a believer in the bible and HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. So you are right. NEXT, does HE know where you would spend eternity? again, it's not wrong to assume that HE DOES, because AFTER ALL, HE IS OMNISCIENT. But Here is where we DISAGREE.
The bible doesn't TEACH THAT YOUR DESTINY IS SET IN STONE; It rather teaches that the CHOICES we make in life DETERMINE where we spend eternity. As to what God's feelings on the matter are; the bible makes it very clear.

"For God so loved the world, that HE gave His Only Begotten son, that whosoever believes in Him, should not perish, but have eternal Life" (John 3:16). He makes a conscious effort to reach out to those who are "lost".

The bible also teaches that God does not take pleasure in the "wicked" dying or remaining on the wrong course. Eg. "Say to them, 'As I live!' declares the Lord God, 'I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways! Why then will you die, O house of Israel?" (Ezekiel 33:11)

Chris Baggio:

So you mean all those who have problems with the bible cant call themselves believers?

Well if you say so then you are trying to say even if there are parts of the bible which doesnt make sense you will still agree to that.Let me ask you will you support that human beings(slaves) being used as properties and as such be bought?Also,will you stone your disobedient child!Again do you agree with the bible that women shdnt teach the word of God? These are just a small number of the #silly things the bible wants us to do.Infact alot of christians dnt agree with God on the aforementioned examples yet they call themselves believers.

What do you think about that?

Chris Baggio:

Ooh my friend!!If you say that the bible doesnt teach that some people destinies are set in stone then you are very wrong.

In the bible its very clear that God has #intentionally harden some people's heart so they will end up in hell.Maybe you are yet to read that part of the bible.I just dont know why God deliberately want some people to end up in hell. Well it seems heaven isnt big enough to contain all of us.

Yaw Afriyie:

I BELIEVE IN JESUS, not because I have a perfect understanding of the bible. I don't ; I AM LEARNING EVERYDAY. I BELIEVE BECAUSE I HAD AN ENCOUNTER WITH GOD. That's the real proof.That's the real reason, not because someone convinced me and as the scripture says Let God be true, and every man a liar.
I don't claim to have all knowledge because that means i can explain everything. I can't  EVEN SCIENCE DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. But with a firm and solid foundation, scientists make correct predictions of things they do not fully understand.... The same holds for christianity!

Anthony Kwaku Darrah:

#Chris dont forget #FGM was practiced is Ghana but not all people accept it. The stoning of people, Slavery, were all traditions of the people at that time.
Study the book of Philemon and you would understand how a believer of #Christ would treat the issues of slavery.

When the an article is written on the time past of Ghana and FGM is mentioned would it be that Chris was in support because he is a Ghanaian at that time? If you want to see black and you are shown yellow or white you would still see black in it but sometimes look at the bigger picture

Chris Baggio:

The stoning of people and slavery were not just traditions of the people.Actually they were laws specifically given by God to his people.Maybe you should read the Old Testament very well. Also,why should I study only the book of Philemon to understand fully how a believer treats the issues of slavery?

Do you want me to choose and pick the parts that favors me and live as you christians normally do?Hell no! God gave us laws and we are supposed to pay heed to them and no one is suppose to ignore them. With the FGM it was a man-made law but with the stoning of people and slavery it was a law given by God.

Thats what you dont know. The main reason why I am saying all these is I think the Bible was written by primitive men who didnt know anything and it wasnt inspired by God whatsoever. When you critically analyse the laws given by God in the Old Testament you will see it was the handiwork of mere men and not God.That is when you dont look at it with your religious lens.

If you go to the Bible schools they will tell what am saying but the pastors who preaches in the various churches will never tell their congregation.Ask yourself why?Your guess is as good as mine.

Chris Baggio:

No, you are rather refusing to look at the bigger picture.You have been brainwashed and indoctrinated since childhood to believe that the God you serve is morally good.Anyone who read the Old Testament and conclude that God is a just and moral person is not being honest and sincere.Atleast thats how I see such a person.

Yaw Afriyie:

So does God enjoy people suffering? NO, but it IS NOT GOD WHO CHOOSES THAT PATH FOR THEM; He gives us CHOICE and we choose where we will be. The fact that He knows what your choice will be DOESN'T mean YOU ARE NOT FREE TO MAKE THE CHOICE. If i know you are an AC MILAN fan, can i not predict who you will support if there's a game between AC MILAN & INTER MILAN? Does it mean I FORCED YOU TO SUPPORT MILAN, OR I KNEW THE ANSWER BCOS I KNOW YOU???

Chris Baggio:

It seems you don't get my point very well #ManUtdFan.So lets say
#yaw,
is creating me and you
you know at that very moment you are creating me that I will end up in hell.Lets say you are omnipotent and loves me unconditionally.

Because of these attributes you have you can even change my destiny for me to escape hell.What will you do? Wont you do what am saying.

This is common sense.Any rational and normal person will do what I have prescribed.

Chris Baggio:

Lets say a match of that sort is coming off.Actually Milan will play Inter tomorrow evening.Back to what we are discussing.If in the game you tell me that if I dnt support milan you will kill me,doesnt it mean you are forcing me to support milan? If you give someone choices to choose and you tell them that if they dnt choose a particular choice you want you will give them the greatest punishment,its no longer free.

Yaw Afriyie:

Again, the bible says: "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants," (Deuteronomy 30:19). So again, WE ARE FREE TO MAKE OUR CHOICES, and it is those choices that determine WHERE WE SPEND ETERNITY; As for what God wants, the bible also says: " But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:8-9). So the bible is actually saying that the reason the SECOND COMING OF JESUS HAS DELAYED, is because HE is giving PEOPLE A CHANCE TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE AND REPENT! 

Chris Baggio:

We are not free to make our choices #Yaw.This is totally false.This is the #freewill argument that you guys dnt understand.If you say you have given me lets say #option A and #option B and you say if I dnt choose #option A you will torture me forever,wont I choose #option A even if I dont like it? Think about this deeply.Dont think about this as a christian.Take your religious lenses off and view this well.

Yaw Afriyie:

Every DESIGNER knows what is best for his PRODUCT. Every CREATOR knows what is best for his creation and what he/she had in mind when creating it. That's why phones act they way they do; they were created to do things in a particular way, based on the personal preference of the Creator. So for example, although we may not be happy when our phone battery runs out when we are on an important call, although we are unhappy, there's nothing to be done bcos it was designed to have a specific life span. I Think the same rule applies. We believe God created everything and everyone and knows what's best for us. We choose to believe that, and there's evidence to that effect, through our experiences and the experiences of others.Gone a little off topic but in the early days of Christianity, Christians were really PERSECUTED, killed and the like. Those are the very people that passed down the message to us... If they were making it up.... won't they have flinched? Why were they willing to give their lives up for the message? I believe it's because they had AN ENCOUNTER with A REAL GOD, NOT AN IMAGINARY ONE; I personally won't die for an imaginary God, but my experiences have taught me that HE IS REAL!

Yaw Afriyie:

AS for the choice between two options... The second option of evil and suffering is man's idea... man's way of doing things.... Yes people have hidden behind religion to promote selfish agenda and give it a bad name; but that happens everywhere.... God gave us a way out of the mess we created for ourselves. Our only option was death... He gave us the choice of life

Yaw Afriyie:

And as to why God will put man's destiny in His own hands is up to God... Like i said, Every creator/designer..... He is King in the Heavens but has given the earth to the sons of men...... God chose to give us FREE CHOICE bcos HE WANTED US TO BE IN HIS IMAGE. IT IS the free choices of man that have led us to most evil in the world... God only Gave the option of JESUS as a way out.... THAT IS OUR BELIEF.

Chris Baggio:

Have you not also read that the early christians also persecuted those who didnt want to be christians.This why they always say christianity didnt bcome a major religion by the quality of its truth but by the quantity of its violence.Maybe you should read the history of Christianity. To me the what is in the bible and the happenings in this world shows God is imaginary.

Yaw Afriyie:

That's incorrect chris... Early christians were persecuted and killed. Only when Rome became powerful that the reverse became true... And those were dark times in Christianity.... But we don't judge something based on how people abuse it but rather, the original intent.... If a meet a rowdy AC MILAN fan, am i correct to assume ALL AC MILAN FANS ARE ROWDY? ALTHOUGH SOMEHOW I HAVE SOME EVIDENCE OR PROOF BASED ONT HE BEHAVIOUR OF A FEW PEOPLE??? i THink not.... I can't understand why christians in the dark ages of the church did what they did... It's between them and God... and surely God judgment awaits... I read the same bible and would not have done the same thing.

Chris Baggio:

Also,on the issue of Jesus so called #second coming.Have you really read the #gospels very well? Jesus promised the people there at that time that,they will witness his second coming.Actually he said they will see the son of man coming from the clouds.Now the problem is this.Since he(Jesus) told those people that and its clear to everyone living today that those people are all dead and there is no way they can witness his so call second coming,dont you think Jesus lied??

Chris Baggio:

Also,on the issue of Jesus so called #second coming.Have you really read the #gospels very well? Jesus promised the people there at that time that,they will witness his second coming.Actually he said they will see the son of man coming from the clouds.Now the problem is this.Since he(Jesus) told those people that and its clear to everyone living today that those people are all dead and there is no way they can witness his so call second coming,dont you think Jesus lied??

Yaw Afriyie:

The bible says with the Lord, a thousand years is like a day and a day like a thousand years... God is not bound by time... He exists out of time... And He also says that no one knows the day and hour it will occur... it would come like a thief in the night... I still believe it would happen.... The only way to conclude that he is FALSE for sure, is if we die and nothing is waiting for us on the other side... Until then, I choose to believe!!!

Chris Baggio:

Hahahahaha #Yaw.I thought you were going to explain that promise to me
There is no point in arguing then.

Yaw Afriyie:

Not sure what you mean, but NOT everything in the bible is LITERAL. some are, some are not. NO matter what we both say; at the end of the day, when we both die and we either appear before the KING OF KINGS (Christians believe in judgment) OR nothing happens... That's what will settle the matter for some; FOR OTHERS, THEY WOULD BE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE AN ENCOUNTER WITH A REAL GOD... In anycase.... time will reveal the truth

Anthony Kwaku Darrah:

Is better to die believing there is hell than to live believing there is no hell and dying to meet the existence of hell... truly in that case there is nothing to lose..... just a word of advice......miss u though.

Chris Baggio:

#Darrah what you jxt said is from #Pascal's wager.Do you know something?One can also die believing and still end up in Hell.This is bcos the are numerous Gods in existence and we dnt know which one is the true one.The muslims,christi ans,hindus,buddhists,etc have their God and each one claim theirs is the true one.So lets say you are a christian and you die and see that the muslim God is the true one.Wont you end up in hell? Even within christians and muslims there are alot of divisions and each one claim their way is the right way to God.This make it difficult knowing which God is Real. I think you should read more on the response on Pascal's wager. #Miss u too bro

Anthony Kwaku Darrah:

If you put it that then feed your mind with these words and raise your thoughts again …… .Christ stated it categorically that he is the way, the truth and the light, no one goes to the father except through himself. Also he boldly said and is in scripture that we let all grow together till the day of harvest. Mohammed said in the Holy Quran that he himself does not know what would happen to him on the day of judgment. I don't know anything about the other religions so I wont talk for them…. Between these two what do you think?

Chris Baggio:

I know jesus christ stated that..That doesnt take the fact that there are many Gods in the system. Which religion do you think you would av taken lets say u were born in saudi arabia,iraq,afg hanistan,etc and all those middle east countries?

Anthony Kwaku Darrah:

Am in Ghana but I read the Quran also in pursuit of the truth. Am certain I would have searched for the truth which I have found now.

Anthony Kwaku Darrah:

But come to think of it… what do u think all this is about… that man is born with time by natural elimination some die before some and it all ends there…. Does it all make sense… what do u CHRIS believe in? Answer and we can continue from there.

Chris Baggio:

Hmmm #Darrah,you are not being honest.To say you will av been a christian in saudi arabia,iraq etc tells me so.Infact the Quaran says a child is suppose to listen to his parents and obey them.If you would av taken christianity then it means you would av disobeyed ur parents and also God as the Quaran is also God's word.The fact is were you are born determines the religion you will take.If you are born in Europe there is a high probabiltiy of you becoming a christian.In the Middle East there is a high probability of you becoming a muslim.In Asia high probability of you becoming a buddhist,hindu etc.In West,South Africa there is a high probability of you being a christian and in the North and East Africa there is a high probability of you being a muslim.Each religion claim theirs is the true one.The fact that Jesus said in his book that he is the way doesnt make christianity the only true religion.Infact every religion believe in their book.The muslims believe in the Quran and they dnt give a fuck about what is said in the Bible.Also, christians believe in the Bible and they dnt give a fuck about what it is written in the Quran.If christians think that the Quran is the true book they would have discarded the Bible and go for the Quran.If muslims also think the Bible is the true book they would also have done likewise.The muslims look at christians and laugh.The christians look at muslims and laugh.We call this #religious delusion.Infact non-believers see you all as deluded.You know very am right and I think this isnt the first time you are hearing this. You want to know what I believe in?Actually I dnt believe in anything.Am a free thinker who is searching for the truth.I have seen the science is the way for us to get the truth and not religion. The probability of me going to #hell provided it even exist is #0.000000000 and that of you is #0.000000001.

Kwadjo Opoku:

Chris Baggio, you really wanna know why the God that you don't believe in created you? Well I'm not sure anybody can answer you on this and so if and only if your question is not rhetorical, then go ask Him[God] (and I'm serious about this). He would answer you. Saul/Paul didn't believe too and He[God] proved His worth. And in case you need any real help you can contact me in private.

HE IS REAL, my brother.

But hey! it's a 'free' world if you think "you cannot waste your precious time to have an encounter with this 'imaginary' God" and so want to continue being an atheist or what others choose to call a "critical thinker".

(I miss you too though, bro. Get in touch let's talk business)

Chris Baggio:

Man i miss u too. All that you wrote doesnt relate to the issue on board.If he showed himself to Saul/Paul,what prevents him from showing himself to me?The fact that he has refused to show himself to me means he is imaginary.

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